ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Talk about MMA and share MMA NEWS from Sherdog, MMAjunkie, MMAmania and co. You can combine also NEWS & VIDEOS. THX for SHARING.

ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby Doshia » 13. Jan 2012, 18:01

ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning; UFC to Counter By Releasing Unedited Lorenzo Fertitta Interview


The much ballyhooed ESPN: Outside the Lines (which we originally erroneously identified as E:60) episode dealing with UFC salaries and the assertion that the promotion is becoming a monopoly will air Sunday morning on the sports network and Dana White says he’s looking forward to it.

According to the UFC president, the company is preparing to counter-program the show with the uncut and unedited version of the interview with UFC chairman and CEO Lorenzo Fertitta to expose ESPN and the outlet’s main MMA analyst Josh Gross, who contributed to the episode.


White and Gross have a tumultuous history, and White makes no bones about his feelings about the former managing editor of Sherdog.com, who revealed the finalists of TUF 4 prior to the season finale of the show and wrote a vitriolic open letter to White, pointing a finger at him and the UFC for the epidemic of fighter PED use.

According to an ESPN story posted yesterday about Sunday’s piece, several UFC fighters who expressed displeasure about fighter salaries were too afraid to speak about the issue on record. The only past and present fighter who would talk about it was Ken Shamrock who recently lost a legal battle with the MMA juggernaut. White has promised to expose Shamrock as well.

Perhaps the most telling tweet by White touches on why ESPN, who has a lucrative UFC broadcasting deal in the UK would attack Zuffa on this front.

Coincidentally, MMA-Manifesto released a comprehensive list of all of the UFC base salaries this week and although they are a far cry from those of their counterparts in other professional sports, fighters don’t do *that bad*, considering they often receive back room bonuses and sponsorship money as well. Keep in mind that a lot of these guys made minimum wage (or approximately $16,000 a year) prior to being signed by Zuffa. That being said, hopefully the disparity in pay eventually matches the 70/30 split boxers share with promoters some day, but unless a union eventually happens, it’s unlikely.


http://www.cagepotato.com/espn-segment-on-ufc-salaries-to-air-sunday-morning-ufc-to-counter-by-releasing-unedited-lorenzo-fertitta-interview/

 

Share Topic:
"And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them."
User avatar
Doshia
MIDDLEW. CHAMP
MIDDLEW. CHAMP
 
Posts: 519
Joined: 9. Aug 2010, 01:53
Location: Hanford CA

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby willyg44 » 13. Jan 2012, 18:19

lol.. it would be nice to get an unbiased write up/investigative segment on UFC pay. However, I am not going to anything Josh Gross says about the UFC seriously, and Dana or Lorenzo aren't going to say anything new, so this will probably be just like the conversations that happen on this forum after every fight when salaries are released lol.

I read a preview with some blurbs from "fighter X" and supposed UFC fighters who didn't reveal their names. Well, if fighters really want to do something about pay, they need to speak up publically. It's not like the UFC is going to fire guys because they talked about their pay. That would look absolutely horrible on their end.

The fighter pay debate is really tiring and old, because it's all just a bunch of opinions and no hard facts can be presented. The only way I would pay attention to this segment is if they presented the UFC's books and know how much they take in and how much they spend, or if actual named fighters have blurbs speaking about pay. Otherwise, it's the same old shit.

 

User avatar
willyg44
MMA CHAMP
MMA CHAMP
 
Posts: 6753
Joined: 19. Apr 2009, 14:22

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby sixfourtwofifty » 13. Jan 2012, 18:24

Hey guys! Epic dick-swinging contest incoming!

Dicks flying around and being measured, you know CumOnMyBackKID will be watching this one with one hand on the remote. :lol:
User avatar
sixfourtwofifty
MMA CHAMP
MMA CHAMP
 
Posts: 5913
Joined: 16. Jul 2009, 17:16
Location: In Indochina, hiding in a bowl of rice, waiting to pop a cap in yo ass.

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby moose84 » 13. Jan 2012, 18:48

I was reading that DW went off on this guy Gross and DW said he has the whole NON-EDITED interview and segment himself and will air it after ESPN airs there show. DW was rambling on about how ESPN and Gross twisted everything around to make the UFC look like a piece of shit.
LEATHER...ITS WHATS FOR DINNER!! -- PAT MILETICH

WHO WANTS A KO FOR CHRISTMAS!! -- FRANK SHAMROCK
User avatar
moose84
News Pimp
News Pimp
 
Posts: 12931
Joined: 25. Jul 2009, 16:57
Location: CRI XV Champ and 5x VIP Invitational Champ

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby willyg44 » 13. Jan 2012, 22:59

moose84 wrote:I was reading that DW went off on this guy Gross and DW said he has the whole NON-EDITED interview and segment himself and will air it after ESPN airs there show. DW was rambling on about how ESPN and Gross twisted everything around to make the UFC look like a piece of shit.


Yeah I read that too. And that this segment introduces some good points of discussion, but that it is filled with poor evidence and such. It was on Bloody Elbow I think. They need to have someone like Bas, a former fighter and a very neutral party present a segment like this.
User avatar
willyg44
MMA CHAMP
MMA CHAMP
 
Posts: 6753
Joined: 19. Apr 2009, 14:22

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby SakuEar » 14. Jan 2012, 00:19

Heres what dana said if anyones interested:
RIO DE JANEIRO – UFC president Dana White is less than thrilled with a recent ESPN.com story detailing the financial struggles of UFC fighters.

He's downright incensed at the "spin" video he anticipates from the cable channel's forthcoming "Outside the Lines" piece focusing on the same subject.

So as you might imagine, the fiery UFC boss isn't staying mum on the subject. In fact, he's taking full aim on everyone involved in the project and promises a thorough reply which he says will truly set the record straight.

"I don't even have to see the completed piece," White told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) following Friday's UFC 142 weigh-ins in Rio de Janeiro. "They didn't even have to show up for the interview for me to know what they were doing. That's why I didn't do the interview. I refused. I turned it down. They wanted me and (UFC co-owner) Lorenzo (Fertitta). I refused and turned it down.

"I want nothing to do with ESPN's sneaky [expletive] 'E:60' and 'Outside the Lines' and all their crock of [expletive] shows. These guys come out with an agenda."

While White declined to talk to ESPN, Fertitta did accept the invitation, and he's among the featured subjects of the "Outside the Lines" piece, which debuts Sunday morning at 10 a.m. ET on ESPN2.

A preview clip of the episode focuses on UFC Hall of Famer Ken Shamrock, who contends the UFC's practices of eliminating their competition have left fighters with few viable options.

"UFC has gone out and strategically bought out every company, or they cut the knees out from underneath them when they tried to get started by putting on shows while their shows were on, which is fine," Shamrock said. "There's nothing wrong with that kind of business, but when you get in that position, then don't use that position to hold the fighters hostage."

White offered little apology for his organization's practices while detailing precisely what he and the UFC did for Shamrock when he brought the MMA legend back to the promotion in 2006.

"This thing started making money in 2005, 2006," White said of the UFC's growth. "It's 2012. If you look at the money the guys made from 2006 to 2012, it's phenomenal what we've done. These guys are coming out, and they got Ken Shamrock. Are you [expletive] kidding me? You know how much money Ken Shamrock owes me?

"Ken Shamrock filed a bogus lawsuit against us and lost. He owes us that money. Do you know what I've done for Ken Shamrock? Ken Shamrock, when I brought him over, he was broke – flat [expletive] broke. He was in income-tax trouble. His knee was shot. I rebuilt his knee. I got him out of income-tax trouble, fronted him a [expletive]-load of money. We gave him money – literally gave him money – $60,000. We gave him $60,000 just to get him back on his feet. You know how much money he made in the two fights he fought with us? $2.5 million.

"[Expletive] you, Ken Shamrock."

Speaking to ESPN, Mixed Martial Arts Fighters Association founder Rob Maysey estimated that the median per-fight income for UFC fighters is currently between $17,000 and $23,000 and that the promotion likely only distributes 5 percent of its total income in the form of fighter pay.

White admitted he couldn't estimate the median income off-hand, but he scoffed at the notion the company wasn't appropriately spreading its wealth.

"We're right on par with the NFL, Major League Baseball, everybody, which is up in the 50s," White said.

White contends ESPN went on a mission to track down fighters willing to trash the company. According to the UFC boss, when many athletes instead had good words to say about the company, ESPN declined to air their thoughts.

"They went out and tried to talk to all these fighters," White said. "The fighters were calling us going, 'ESPN is here.' One of them notably was Matt Serra. Matt Serra said, 'They come in, they waste my [expletive] time, they set up all their cameras, and when I started giving the interview, they didn't like what I was saying. They shut the [expletive] thing down and left.' We had numerous fighters say that. They were calling me and saying 'ESPN is showing up and wanted to do an interview, and when they don't like what we say, they leave the interview.'"

It was this reality, White contends, that led ESPN to Shamrock.

"They had to dig so deep they had to find Ken Shamrock, the guy who ends up getting busted for steroids three times after he leaves the UFC," White said. "You couldn't find a more honorable, honest and great guy to come out and interview than Ken Shamrock? I have absolutely zero respect for Ken Shamrock. I think Ken Shamrock is a horrible [expletive] human being."

The interview with Fertitta was filmed in late July 2011 according to UFC officials. White said UFC cameras were also in the room, and he plans to use the footage to offer a full rebuttal following ESPN's debut of the "Outside the LInes" episode.

"I know how they operate," White said. "I've done interviews with them before. What we did is, when they filmed Lorenzo, we filmed them filming Lorenzo. We have the entire interview right there. It's pretty interesting to see how they're going to spin it.

"What I'm going to do is I'm going to watch their piece. Then I'm going to put out a piece with my interview to show how you can really spin it and make stuff look one way or the other. Then I'll show the interview in its entirety."

White said Fertitta also addresses the revenue-sharing issue during the interview, and he believes the UFC co-owner's words will speak volumes when heard in their entirety.

"When you hear Lorenzo's interview and what the facts really are, yeah, I don't even know how they can do this story without spinning it," White said. "That's why it took eight [expletive] months to do."

As a private company, the UFC is not required to open their accounting books to the public, and there is, of course, little value in such a move for the promotion. However, White said many of the issues he expects to be addressed in the piece have changed greatly since this past summer, and he looks forward to proving his critics wrong.

"A lot has happened since [Fertitta filmed the interview], so we're going to play the thing in its entirety and update everybody on what's going on," White said.


http://mmajunkie.com/news/26971/ufc-boss-slams-espn-piece-ken-shamrock-promises-thorough-video-reply.mma
User avatar
SakuEar
MMA CHAMP
MMA CHAMP
 
Posts: 8943
Joined: 4. Jan 2011, 05:59

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby beerFoam » 14. Jan 2012, 00:21

Why does ESPN hate the ufc, i see the hate, but i dont see where it is coming from.
User avatar
beerFoam
MMA CHAMP
MMA CHAMP
 
Posts: 3457
Joined: 21. Sep 2009, 23:46

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby reyrey73 » 14. Jan 2012, 00:44

willyg44 wrote:
moose84 wrote:I was reading that DW went off on this guy Gross and DW said he has the whole NON-EDITED interview and segment himself and will air it after ESPN airs there show. DW was rambling on about how ESPN and Gross twisted everything around to make the UFC look like a piece of shit.


Yeah I read that too. And that this segment introduces some good points of discussion, but that it is filled with poor evidence and such. It was on Bloody Elbow I think. They need to have someone like Bas, a former fighter and a very neutral party present a segment like this.

No fighter or former fighter is going to touch this matter with a 10 foot pole for fear of reprisal from the UFC. The UFC can and will blackball them and cut fighters who break the blockade, so it's a lose, lose proposition. The media is not smart enough to reign in D.W's ego by banding together and giving them no publicity until he changes his tune or is replaced. Why they are greedy pigs themselves and are scared to lose their piece of the pie. If they wanted they could make the UFC irrelevant by simply sticking together and refusing to air their product. I'm not sure which side is the most evil in the debate but just like the UFC events I'll watch them fight it out until the fighters are smart enough and have enough funds to unionize or start their own promotion, not unlike the PBR did when moving away from the PRCA. It will happen it's just a matter of when it does.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. ~ Jack Handey
User avatar
reyrey73
CRI CHAMP
CRI CHAMP
 
Posts: 2071
Joined: 19. Apr 2009, 23:48
Location: Las Vegas CRI 43 "Reuben's Rumble" Champion

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby Nycto Da 6'0 » 14. Jan 2012, 00:57

These guys get like 3 times the entire cards salary at the gate, then they get... lets say 400k-1million PPV's, and that's 20-50 million dollars in PPV's at $50 a pop. Not to mention all the bars n shit that they charge like $3000 to play them. I know they have their deductions and everything and thats not straight profit, but is it so crazy that the product themselves should get a little more than a combined 1.5 million dollars of that between like 30 of them?
--------
--------
"Men, women, children, retarded people, it doesn't matter. If you hit me, we're gonna fight" Charles Bennett
--------
--------
User avatar
Nycto Da 6'0
The Raw Gawwwdd
The Raw Gawwwdd
 
Posts: 17739
Joined: 5. Jun 2009, 21:54
Location: He threw some fuckin... Hadouken Punch at me

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby riketz » 14. Jan 2012, 14:20

Nycto Da 6'0 wrote:These guys get like 3 times the entire cards salary at the gate, then they get... lets say 400k-1million PPV's, and that's 20-50 million dollars in PPV's at $50 a pop. Not to mention all the bars n shit that they charge like $3000 to play them. I know they have their deductions and everything and thats not straight profit, but is it so crazy that the product themselves should get a little more than a combined 1.5 million dollars of that between like 30 of them?


Don't they split the profits from ppv's like 50-50 with the cable company though? I thought I read that in a article posted on share somewhere but I can't find it now.
I have never lost a debate, EVER.. if you think i did its because i was actually "trolling."
User avatar
riketz
WELTERW. CHAMP
WELTERW. CHAMP
 
Posts: 392
Joined: 17. Jul 2011, 16:45
Location: B.C. Canada

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby knubz'sknuckles » 14. Jan 2012, 14:43

riketz wrote:
Nycto Da 6'0 wrote:These guys get like 3 times the entire cards salary at the gate, then they get... lets say 400k-1million PPV's, and that's 20-50 million dollars in PPV's at $50 a pop. Not to mention all the bars n shit that they charge like $3000 to play them. I know they have their deductions and everything and thats not straight profit, but is it so crazy that the product themselves should get a little more than a combined 1.5 million dollars of that between like 30 of them?


Don't they split the profits from ppv's like 50-50 with the cable company though? I thought I read that in a article posted on share somewhere but I can't find it now.

i read that as well and even if that is true, which it probably is that still means the ufc is paying only 10% of profit to the fighters - a 90-10 split at best.
putting the laughter back in manslaughter since 1975
User avatar
knubz'sknuckles
mr. whistler
mr. whistler
 
Posts: 3261
Joined: 11. Apr 2010, 15:59
Location: hiking the flute bowl

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby knubz'sknuckles » 14. Jan 2012, 14:53

willyg44 wrote:. I read a preview with some blurbs from "fighter X" and supposed UFC fighters who didn't reveal their names. Well, if fighters really want to do something about pay, they need to speak up publically. It's not like the UFC is going to fire guys because they talked about their pay. That would look absolutely horrible on their end.

you are right about the fighters needing to get together and speak publicly if they want things changed. i do not think you are right about whether or not the ufc would fire guys. if they were not fired they would not have contracts renewed or be cut after one loss. the ufc controls the sponsors which the fighters rely heavily on, a word from dana and muscle pharm may not be so interested in sponsoring fighter A or whatever.
we have seen similar issues in the past in other sports. the nfl has been accused and had senate hearings on collusion on a couple of occasions. mlb and the nhl have both been found to be operating in contradiction to labour laws in the past. albeit a long time ago now...dana white and the fertittas have created a monopoly on the elite level of mma for all intents and purposes. the fighters i think are very wise to not speak out individually until they have the strength of collective bargaining on their side.
putting the laughter back in manslaughter since 1975
User avatar
knubz'sknuckles
mr. whistler
mr. whistler
 
Posts: 3261
Joined: 11. Apr 2010, 15:59
Location: hiking the flute bowl

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby Nycto Da 6'0 » 14. Jan 2012, 15:21

beerFoam wrote:Why does ESPN hate the ufc, i see the hate, but i dont see where it is coming from.

Because the UFC has blackballed all their journalists from getting press passes. So if they can't get the standard event news, they have to get the controversial news that the brown-nose journalists are afraid to write.
--------
--------
"Men, women, children, retarded people, it doesn't matter. If you hit me, we're gonna fight" Charles Bennett
--------
--------
User avatar
Nycto Da 6'0
The Raw Gawwwdd
The Raw Gawwwdd
 
Posts: 17739
Joined: 5. Jun 2009, 21:54
Location: He threw some fuckin... Hadouken Punch at me

Re: ESPN Segment On UFC Salaries to Air Sunday Morning and .....

Postby Nycto Da 6'0 » 14. Jan 2012, 15:28

riketz wrote:
Nycto Da 6'0 wrote:These guys get like 3 times the entire cards salary at the gate, then they get... lets say 400k-1million PPV's, and that's 20-50 million dollars in PPV's at $50 a pop. Not to mention all the bars n shit that they charge like $3000 to play them. I know they have their deductions and everything and thats not straight profit, but is it so crazy that the product themselves should get a little more than a combined 1.5 million dollars of that between like 30 of them?


Don't they split the profits from ppv's like 50-50 with the cable company though? I thought I read that in a article posted on share somewhere but I can't find it now.

Well how can a boxing PPV that sells 1.3 million afford to pay Pacquaio 6 million and Mosely 4 million, and the other 3 fights summing up to about 700k?

They can afford almost an 11 million dollar payday for their fighters over 4 fight, but the UFC can't throw together more than 1.5 for the entire night of fights?

I don't know how people can pretend they get paid enough. Have you ever heard a co-main event boxer say he was eating rice and ketchup because he was so broke coming into his fight?
--------
--------
"Men, women, children, retarded people, it doesn't matter. If you hit me, we're gonna fight" Charles Bennett
--------
--------
User avatar
Nycto Da 6'0
The Raw Gawwwdd
The Raw Gawwwdd
 
Posts: 17739
Joined: 5. Jun 2009, 21:54
Location: He threw some fuckin... Hadouken Punch at me

Next

Return to SERIOUS MMA DISCUSSION

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 17 guests

MMASHARE

Our mission is to give MMA fans the power to share and make the world more open and connected for Mixed Martial Arts!